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Post by Misti on Aug 1, 2002 9:34:07 GMT -5
Hello kimono and Japanese culture lovers,
Is there some one who could tell me what a fair price for a used (boxed exelent condition)brides/geisha wig?katsura would be?
I hope there will be someone on this board who can help me.
Thank you,
Misti
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Post by Kiyoaki on Aug 1, 2002 11:01:08 GMT -5
Misti,
I can perhaps offer two suggestions for you on this question.
If you have the luxury of time, check with E-Bay for similar items and track the prices there. They do turn up occasionally, but it will be a hit-or-miss proposition if you do find one. One seller [kobecco2] has sold one or two in the past, but they are not commonly seen.
Another option is to check at a site named "yokodana". I don't have the exact URL, but a general search should work. They have carried some wigs in the past and could offer pricing information.
In general, I'd say you could expect to get/pay a price in the middle hundreds [$200 - 500] if you are patient. There is a limited demand for these wigs. For the most part, those that search out 'katsura' have more than an inkling what the new ones cost in Japan, and therefore will consider paying moderate (as opposed to 'modest') prices.
You could also compare them to natural hair wigs made in the West, just to get a general feel for pricing.
Kiyoaki
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Post by chiiyo on Aug 3, 2002 9:16:36 GMT -5
Yokodana had offered one bridal wig and one wig for dances, but when I checked it just now, they were both sold. If I remember they were about US$300 ++. The url is www.yokodana.com . If they have any new wigs they would list it under accessories. That place is good for finding really hard to find stuff. I once saw a purple monks custom made robe there... Sorry can't help much... XP... perhaps you could email Ichiro-san and ask him? I'm sure the would know people who know the price thereabouts. |
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Post by Himiko on Aug 5, 2002 23:36:38 GMT -5
Yes Zaphod, they use wigs. Long time ago they used real hair to do the BUNKIN TAKASHIMADA styles and it was painful, with hot wax, oil and stuff....I think it hurt, so now, wigs r the more common alternative.
Haven't seen any wigs on sale online but I heard they were smelly, due to the odor from the materials.
One or two may appear on ebay once in a while.
I have no idea of the prices though.
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Post by Misti on Aug 6, 2002 11:16:56 GMT -5
Hi,
Well thank you all for the reply's.
I am still not sure but $500,- seems okay for a good condition wig with box.
About the smell: it is not worse than a lady with a lot of hair spray or a man with pomade in his hair.
Traditionaly the lady's own hair was made upp like this but you need hair that is at least one meter long and that is rare. The bow had to stay in also during the night so you had to sleep (rest your head) on this high tabel like makura. Maiko girls still do this, because they do have their own hair done up in a "split peache" bow. (the hair style of the (unmaried) girl). When they become a geisha it is taken of and they will wear a wig for ceremonial occasions, like the bride.
It is almost the same style, it is the style of the mature woman.
greetings,
Misti
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Post by Kiyoaki on Aug 6, 2002 14:51:28 GMT -5
Lili,
The purple gauze robe is back again at Yokodana. At one time it had sold, but perhpas the buyer was not completely happy with it and returned it to stock. I considered it for the longest time but the price seemed to high. I finally bought a batch of four for less then their single item. One of the four I got had a very similar weave and motif.
Himiko,
Rape seed oil was one of the materials use to dress hair. It gave the hair a bright sheen. Naturally it would turn racid over time, so typically the hair would be washed (only on propitious days, of course), and a new application of oil and restyling would ensue.
The oil was used for cooking as well. It was produced from the seeds of a flowering plant with yellow blossoms. There were special porcelain flasks made to hold oil for dressing the hair with squat, wide bases and and narrow necks to control the flow when poured.
Zaphod/John,
The white covering on the bride's hair was supposed to hide the 'horns of jealousy' that supposedly every woman was susceptible to manifesting. It was meant as an admonition to hide her jealousy at her husband's philandering. Think of the 'hannya' masks used in No drama as the classic image of a woman possesed by jealousy and the demonic power it conjures.
Speaking of smelling 'bad', Japanese often remark that foreigners smelled like 'dogs' because they eat so much meat. The idea is quite true. Eating animal protein produces certain acids that reach the skin and create a subtle (but detectable) smell of mustiness. So while you may be wary of how Japanese hair smells, beware of how you smell too unless you contemplate turning into a strict vegetarian.
Finally, don't forget that the men endured the same kind of treatment as the women. Their scalps and foreheads were shaved and then the remaining length was compressed into a bundle that was folded and tied to its' base in an elbow bend. Yes, they also dressed their hair with the same kind of oil.
Misti,
$500 should be the top limit to pay on a wig. The greater problem is maintaining it over time. I can't think there are hairdressers outside of Japan, who could perform all the traditional work for you. If the option is to send the wig back and forth to have it redone, you can imagine how expensive that becomes.
If the wig is worn regularly, there is also the tendency for the person's scalp to become worn down and bare from both the abrasion and pulling the scalp tight to make certain the wig is securely attached.
Kiyoaki
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Post by Kiyoaki on Aug 7, 2002 17:31:17 GMT -5
Dear Misti, et al.
There is a current auction on E-Bay with a geisha's wig with box. The item number is #212597727. Currently, the bid is under $200.00. Good luck to anyone that might be interested in buying this one.
Kiyoaki
P.S. John, if you can hold off posting new replies for a day or so, this message will stay in the "10 most recent replies" category where it will get maximum exposure.
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Post by LionessVSM on Aug 14, 2002 0:28:44 GMT -5
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Post by sg715 on Dec 5, 2003 20:58:29 GMT -5
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Post by Carmen on Dec 7, 2003 11:16:31 GMT -5
Lili, Rape seed oil was one of the materials use to dress hair. It gave the hair a bright sheen. Naturally it would turn racid over time, so typically the hair would be washed (only on propitious days, of course), and a new application of oil and restyling would ensue. The oil was used for cooking as well. It was produced from the seeds of a flowering plant with yellow blossoms. There were special porcelain flasks made to hold oil for dressing the hair with squat, wide bases and and narrow necks to control the flow when poured. Kiyoaki Cooking oil? I heard somewhere that they used camellia oil for the hair dressing. (pun alert!) Carmen |
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Post by Kiyoaki on Jan 8, 2004 22:23:16 GMT -5
Carmen,
I have also heard it said that camelia oil (from the flowering camelia?), was used for dressing hair. Perhaps I was mistaken about the rape seed oil, or possibily both were used.
Kiyoaki
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